{"id":395554,"date":"2024-05-20T00:22:51","date_gmt":"2024-05-20T00:22:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/?p=395554"},"modified":"2024-05-20T05:05:50","modified_gmt":"2024-05-20T05:05:50","slug":"you-cant-bartel-rubbishes-saints-flag-hopes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/?p=395554","title":{"rendered":"&#039;You can&#039;t&#039;: Bartel rubbishes Saints flag hopes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/jimmy-bartel\" target=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"Jimmy Bartel\">Jimmy Bartel<\/a> has declared that <a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/afl\/st-kilda-saints\" target=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"St Kilda\">St Kilda<\/a> cannot compete for finals or win a premiership if they continue under coach <a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/afl\/ross-lyon\" target=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"Ross Lyon\">Ross Lyon<\/a>&#x27;s defence-first game plan.<\/p>\n<p>It comes after the Saints slumped to a 17-point loss at the hands of Fremantle in round 10.\ufeff<\/p>\n<p>The most recent loss also makes their 2023 finals berth look like a comple\ufeffte outlier.<\/p>\n<p><strong>READ MORE: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/paralympics\/games-paris-2024-swimming-jasmine-greenwood-exclusive\/63ce884f-99d9-4d7c-a567-756034a7a024\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Jasmine survived a double stroke. Now she&#x27;s going for gold<\/strong><\/a><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>READ MORE: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/nrl\/the-mole-exclusive-2024-magic-round-brad-arthur-parramatta-eels-coaching-future\/d15938be-a49d-4c27-b86c-54353f8e76d0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Eels facing &#x27;awkward&#x27; coach call after &#x27;awful&#x27; response<\/strong><\/a><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>READ MORE: <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/nrl\/news-2024-wayne-bennett-redcliffe-dolphins-south-sydney-rabbitohs-comments-destroy-coaching-contract\/58f4b36f-2752-4e29-81a4-49b2e3fffc07\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><strong>Wayne&#x27;s promise to Dolphins ahead of Souths move<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This time last year, Lyon&#x27;s Saints were 7-3 after 10 rounds. Now, at the same point in 2024, they sit with a dismal 3-7 record.\ufeff<\/p>\n<p>Lyon&#x27;s defence-first game style has come under scrutiny, with his side managing to kick just eight goals in round 10 and seven the week before.<\/p>\n<p><img data-id=\"d981fa4c-f7c6-442a-9b5b-4aeb42f33031\" src=\"https:\/\/prod.static9.net.au\/fs\/d981fa4c-f7c6-442a-9b5b-4aeb42f33031\" alt=\"The Saints are 3-7.\" data-width=\"2067\" data-height=\"1499\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&quot;You can&#x27;t win a premiership from 15th (in the league) for attack,&quot; Bartel said on Nine&#x27;s <em>Footy Furnace<\/em> on Sunday night.<\/p>\n<p>Footballing legend <a href=\"https:\/\/wwos.nine.com.au\/afl\/leigh-matthews\" target=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" title=\"Leigh Matthews\">Leigh Matthews<\/a> also weighed in on the situation down at Linton Street\ufeff.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I don&#x27;t think that Ross Lyon is coaching any different to what he was 10, 12 months ago,&quot; Matthews said.<\/p>\n<p>But it&#x27;s the lack of development from their forwardline, headlined by Max King, who have been steadily declining in 2024 that has left the greats puzzled.\ufeff<\/p>\n<p><img data-id=\"5c171daa-63a4-4abc-a678-b0bee648282f\" src=\"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/5c171daa-63a4-4abc-a678-b0bee648282f-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Ross Lyon\" data-width=\"3238\" data-height=\"2230\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&quot;Basically their forwards have all dropped off,&quot; he said.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;They&#x27;ve got a lot of their players forward of centre, that all of a sudden aren&#x27;t playing as well this year.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>However, there are multiple ways to analyse the Saints&#x27; downfall, with Bartel questioning whether it&#x27;s a personnel or game plan issue.\ufeff<\/p>\n<p>&quot;Leigh, you believe the players are down, whereas some people believe they&#x27;re down because they refuse to take the ball forward to those guys,&quot; Bartel said.<\/p>\n<p><img data-video-id=\"6352788953112\" src=\"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/new.png\" alt=\"Saints young gun&#x27;s manager caught in bizarre Twitter moment\" data-vms-id=\"ref:clw3esmfa00080hkcnfc43lkj\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&quot;Chicken and the egg,&quot; Matthews replied.\ufeff<\/p>\n<p>Meantime, 9News Melbourne&#x27;s chief football reporter Tom Morris broke down comments from\ufeff St Kilda president Andrew Bassat that prove they&#x27;re nowhere near where they thought they&#x27;d be after their short finals berth in 2023.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;It really feels like we&#x27;re not too far from the top of the hill. We&#x27;ve done the hard work. It feels like we&#x27;re pushing the right direction,&quot; Bassat said back in 2023, when the Saints sat with a 10-8 record.<\/p>\n<p><img data-id=\"a88b39ac-0412-4a54-8cdd-39977d1ada55\" src=\"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/a88b39ac-0412-4a54-8cdd-39977d1ada55-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"The Saints are 3-7.\" data-width=\"4146\" data-height=\"2647\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&quot;I think St Kilda&#x27;s in a world of hurt,&quot; Morris said.<\/p>\n<p>&quot;I think behind the scenes, if you&#x27;re going to ask the leaders there honestly, they would agree they&#x27;re in a world of hurt.&quot;\ufeff<\/p>\n<p>Lyon&#x27;s men, who sit in 14th on the ladder, will look to collect a fourth win when they face off against the seventh-placed Demons on Sunday afternoon.\ufeff<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"mh-excerpt\"><p>Jimmy Bartel has declared that St Kilda cannot compete for finals or win a premiership if they continue under coach Ross Lyon&#x27;s defence-first game plan. <a class=\"mh-excerpt-more\" href=\"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/?p=395554\" title=\"&#039;You can&#039;t&#039;: Bartel rubbishes Saints flag hopes\">[&#8230;]<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":395556,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/395554"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=395554"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/395554\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":395561,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/395554\/revisions\/395561"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/395556"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=395554"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=395554"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sportinfo.pro\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=395554"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}